Anyway here is a omen for Hawthorn- not all but quite a few of their Premiership years have contained a loss to Richmond during the home and away season
Did Hawthorn lose to Richmond in any of these years
1961 - NO
1971 - YES
1976 - YES
1978 - NO
1983 - YES
1986 - NO
1988 - NO
1989 - NO
1991 - NO
2008 - YES
2011?- YES
Richmond didn't make the finals in 1976, 1983, 2008 and 2011. The Eastern Tigers and Eastern Hawks have never played each other in a final- that would probably surprise many people.
As for us-we can't help Hawthorn out in 2011, though we have in the past by beating them in the season the hawks won the Premiership
Did Hawthorn lose to Footscray in any of these years?
1961- YES
1971- YES
1976 - NO
1978 - NO
1983 - YES
1986 - YES
1988 - NO
1989 - NO
1991- YES
2008- YES
2011?- NO
Now here below are years when Hawthorn have played in a Preliminary Final (or better ie as in bypassing the Preliminary Final in the days before 1994 when there was just the one Preliminary Final) in a season
Did Hawthorn lose to Footscray during these years? During the Home and Away season of course, because we have never beaten Hawthorn in a Final
1957 - YES
1961 - YES
1963 - NO
1971 - YES
1974 - YES
1975 - YES
1976 - NO
1977 - NO
1978 - NO
1982 - YES
1983 - YES
1984 - NO
1985 - YES
1986 - YES
1987 - YES
1988 - NO
1989 - NO
1991 - YES
Era of two Preliminary Finals
2001 - YES
2008 - YES
2011 - NO
2012 - NO
Colour coded- PINK means Hawthorn's highest point that year was to lose a Preliminary Final, ORANGE means Hawthorn was runner-up and BROWN means that Hawthorn was Premiers. RED AND GREEN are self explanatory- RED (NO) means that they didn't lose to Footscray during the season, GREEN (YES) means that Hawthorn did lose to Footscray during the Home and Away season.
